Bachmann signs pledge to ban pornography, same-sex marriage as president

And there you have it, Bachmann in the raw. Bradlee Dean will head the new position of Secretary of Homeland Religion and the Morality Czar will be Plaats.

All under the banner of liberty and justice for all.

Goodbye America.

Jeff Wilfahrt, Rosemount, MN

That’s it. She just did herself in.

..sounds more like a Nazi Pledge…you know the thing Hitler made his members of the SS sign/swear too…… yep, this brand of GOP is DANGEROUS to the VERY Ideals of America, and American Exceptionalism.

..Michelle Bachmann thinks she can Just Be Queen and VOID the 10′s of 1000′s of Marriages Gays/lesbians have entered into…? LOL …they’ll be a COLD day in her hell B4 that ever happens…….You wanna see Riots lady…..You’ll see’m.

[...] she is sworn in, she will ban pornography and same-sex marriage. She is the first GOP candidate to sign the pledge, offered by a group of Iowa zealots called “The Family Leader.” She will [...]

Maybe this is what America needs, maybe people will wake up and realize our country is being taken over by the christian right extremists.

What a nut she is. Gay equality will happen and there is nothing she can do to stop it. To sign something like that just proves how discriminatory she will be towards civil and gay rights. She will never get my vote.

This type of theocratic fascism disguised as religious belief is without a doubt one of the greatest threats facing the United States. They say that radicalism preceeds the fall….

PATRIA SOCIALISMO O MUERTE!

I can’t tell you how excited I am to see this!!!! But I’ll try.

The only other candidate stupid enough to sign that pledge is Tim Pawlenty.

“Toward the end of the long list of religious prohibitions, the pledge asks candidates to vow to oppose Sharia law because it is a “form of totalitarian control.” ”

Hypocrisy.

“Toward the end of the long list of religious prohibitions, the pledge asks candidates to vow to oppose Sharia law because it is a “form of totalitarian control.””

Lol

Interesting. Red states “consume” far more porn than blue states.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16680-porn-in-the-usa-conservatives-are-biggest-consumers.html

Will Bachmann alienate her base with a pledge to ban porn?

Praise Jebus, God hates following through on promises, Amen.

Now we just need to find out what the definition of “pornography” is. And just how they intend to stop it considering one can take a picture and a movie with a cell phone.

I always find it amazing that those who use the word “liberty” a lot are the ones most likely to restrict it for those they don’t like.

Is anyone disgusted by these pious, Christianist bigots telling us what to do? Now they want to ban pornography? It is time we treat these scumbags to their own poison. We need to show them our disdain, but we need it to have teeth. We need to impose something wicked on them because they deserve it.

You really ought to show people the entirety of the pledge’s list of demands which include economic policy issues promoting corporatism at the expense of social programs as well as the appointment of theocratic judges:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/07/bob-vander-plaats-iowa-pledge_n_892549.html?utm_source=twitterfeed

Straight out of the Dominionist playbook to institute Biblical Capitalism and a legal system based on Old Testament Biblical Law… The Republican Party has officially become a religious cult.

Compare and contrast the pledge with Christian fundamentalist dogma and stated political goals:

VIDEO: [ Project of the Center for Politics, Religion and Social Policy at Cornell University]: “The Rise of Dominionism”
Recorded October 11, 2004, 44 minutes

http://www.theocracywatch.org/audio-video.htm

@FlexSF Stooping to their level will only degrade our own struggle. Human rights will come soon and come from the left.

“Our strongest weapon is our refusal.” Michael Collins

Simply put, we must act as if the human rights we want already exist.

PATRIA SOCIALISMO O MUERTE!

As president, I pledge to ban Michelle Bachmann and christianist nationalism.

It’s a good pledge. Glad she signed it.

There is no pledge to ban pornography, like the title of this post misconstrued.

The only goddamn pledge Bachmann should be taking is a pledge to protect the Constitution from all terrorists foreign and domestic. And I’m pretty sure a fundamentalist theocrat like Bob van der Plaats would qualify as a domestic terrorist, considering he’s pushing for the abolition of the separation of church and state – a constitutionally-derived and Supreme Court-backed policy in the United States.

@kfreed, thanks for the links; information is knowledge, is power; know your enemy; etc.
I keep wondering if the Repubs are just letting Bachmann & the other crazy ones act out so they can cover up the other important issues. Think about it… Bachmann is so far gone she can’t win. The more she talks, the worse it gets. It’s like they want us to watch this distraction while other deeper evil is going on.
We all need to keep reading and watching; keep informed on all levels.
Peace

Ahh HG – right on Q……poor HG lives,breathes and thinks about Gays 24/7…365 days a year……his whole life is gay,gay,gay everyday,in everyway……gay gay gay…….he can’t stop thinking of all that man on man sex he so thrives.

As a citizen of Iowa (a married gay one at that), I have to apologize to the nation that my state brought forth Bob VanderPlaats (a name which just sounds like something you’d hear coming from a bathroom stall)… I also have to apologize that Michele Bachmann was born here.

I am going to start talks with South Dakota to see if they will take Sioux City off of our hands as that is the center of the VanderPlaats (again, sounds very scatological, don’t you agree?) gay obsession so that Iowa can finally be rid of him once and for all.

BTW, his political background, for those that do not know, is basically three failed runs for Governor. He has NEVER won an election and I hope to keep it that way!

Is Bachmann following the Joel’s Army Handbook?

http://dominionism.livejournal.com/55698.html

You can take away my porn when you pry my cold, dead free hand from it.

Ban pornography? Does that include “romance novels” and the soaps on TV, or has the definition of pornography changed over the last few centuries?

Monsieur, I thank you, I had a good chuckle over that turn of phrase.

Jeff Wilfahrt, Rosemount, MN

I thought republicans and tea partiers wanted to keep the federal government out of state’s business! What a bunch of hypocrites. I’m happily married to my wife and don’t see why other people can’t be happily married to their partners, same sex or otherwise. And leave my porn alone!

hg have you not read the pledge?

PORNOGRAPHY SHOULD BE BANNED: Vow 9 stipulates that the candidate must “support human protection of women and the innocent fruit of conjugal intimacy” and protect them from “seduction into promiscuity and all forms of pornography…and other types of coercion or stolen innocence.”

sorry bud your wrong again!

Don Schenk
Comment posted July 8, 2011 @ 10:18 am
Ban pornography? Does that include “romance novels” and the soaps on TV, or has the definition of pornography changed over the last few centuries?

..well of course that would depend IF the Christian Sharia Law board approves of said Soap Operas, and or Romantic Novels….. ((SNARK))

The term ‘fascist’ comes to mind. Is this really the best quality political candidate you can find, America? Out of a population of something in excess of 311,719,536, you’d think there would have to be one or two with a mental capacity larger than than of a bath towel

You are welcome Jeff. You can see more of the same kind of crap at Wonkette where I comment regularly along with other like minded and much more talented people.

Seriously, Michele is her own worst enemy. For a while I thought that her handlers had convinced her to lay off the crazy talk but she just can’t help it. It is frightening to think she actually is sincere about what she says.

[...] Bachmann became the first presidential candidate to sign a 14-point pledge put forth by The Family Leader, a Christian group run by evangelical conservative and former three-time Iowa gubernatorial candidate Bob Vander Plaats. Gaffes are gaffes, but this is truly scary. [...]

That’s a good one, Monsieur. Thank you, Jeff, for directing my attention as for some reason, I didn’t envision that “turn of phrase” the first time around. HA HA HA

BTW, Jeff and Lori, thank you for sharing your story in the recent CNN article. Yes, Andrew is indeed a remarkable man, and very fortunate to have both of you as his parents. Next time I come home to Minnesota, I plan to pay my respects at his grave.

marie,

Read it in context. Protection from “seduction into” … “and other types of coercion and stolen innocence”.

The language suggests protecting women and children from adopting these behaviors for themselves. Evidence of that is the fact that men are excluded. If you argue that this constitutes a ban, it sounds more like a ban exclusive to women and children. I guess men get a pass.

HG

all forms of pornography

meaning NON will be provided

but sure no women porn then, just men on men action! woohoo bring it on!

So that’s how Small Government runs!

How will this create jobs?

You’re one strange bird, Marie.

For a constitutional conservative, she doesn’t seem to know crap about the first amendment!

She vows oppose Islamic Sharia law because it is a “form of totalitarian control” and replace it with a Christian Sharia law as a form of totalitarian control.

Michele Bachmann is to Fundialmentalist Christianity as the Taliban is to Islam.

Bachmann’s brand of Christianity is as dangerous as the Taliban would be were they here in the US.

NOW people have reasons NOT to vote for Michele Bachmann. Thiose who do should be committed. I am serious.

That is good to see. She is top of my list, thats for sure.

Lane,

Section 27 #1133 at Ft Snelling National Cemetery.

He loved numerology.
He died on the 27 = section number
1133 = “yes to the universe”
11 = purity
33 = perfection (Masonic #)
33 = years of his parents marriage
entered operation Dragon Strike on Sept 26, 2010. His middle name given for my grandfather Charles Wilfahrt who entered the Meuse-Argonne offensive Sept 26, 1918. He found significance in this.

All this would have meaning to him. From his footlocker came Heidegger, Sun Tzu, and Seneca among other tomes. No Guns and Ammo magazines for that man.

When you arrive just be. Sentience was his word and philosophy.

Enjoy your moment there and know that he remains among us and acts on all with open hearts. Even HG could soak it in if he/she could just cross the bridge of love and embrace true human equality.

Jeff Wilfahrt, Rosemount, MN

Jeff, .. Thank you period.

Citizen Carl,

What would you say to us investing in HG to set up distribution system for porn in the bible belt. HG could proselytize and drive sales. You and I can box and ship but we couldn’t get union rates. We’d be job creators and could toot our horns. In a few years we could threaten to leave the state and take the money. With HG fuzzy math skills we could probably hit a few loopholes (tax expenditures in the lexicon) and cook the books like Sutton did as GOP accountant.

We’ll be rich Citizen Carl. The scam is coming clear.

Jeff Wilfahrt, Rosemount, MN

Of all the VITALLY important things this country needs to focus on, she pledges to deal with those people she hates most?

Women and children need to be protected from Michelle Bachman.

If she has pledged to do this she is DONE.

Well, there goes 50 percent of her constituency. Ms Shrill still needs to explain to me how being ruled by Biblical law differs from being ruled by that Sharia law she’s so afraid of. Batshite doesn’t begin to adequately describe this nutbag.

Can’t wait for Bill Mahar tonite (new episode) …ahh I hope he touches on this subject of the PLEDGE!

If they had any faith in the constitutiuon they would realize it already protects from any sort of religious law, Sharia or otherwise.

Secondly, a politicians loyalty should be to their constituents and the constitution. Period. Signing a loyalty oath/pledge is tantamount to treason in my book. You serve the people and our laws.You are beholden to us.

And yes, I would say the same thing if some liberal signed a moveon.org pledge or something like that.

I wonder how Michele plans on regulating the internet since a lot of pornography is viewed online. Going to take a page out of the Chinese government book on internet censorship? So much for “liberty” and “freedom”.

I expected liberal stupidity (a redundancy I know) in the combox but you guys have really outdone yourselves.

My goodness, Mrs. Bachman must be some kind of a phobaphobe!

Here’s the truth:
homosexual activity is filthy, immoral, and perverted. It’s normalization harms the public good.
pornography is also immoral and disordered and harms the public good.
liberty is not doing whatever you want and expecting no consequences. That concept is also a perversion.

See the common thread here?
Probably not.

Back to your regularly scheduled mind-numbed liberalism.

I may have the wrong person, but I believe it was some Archbishop in New York that stated, now that Sex-gender marriage is legal, they’ll be wanting polygamy next. LMAO
I actually, always thought that when we have complete marriage equality for all earth citizens, the debate would turn to marriage with little green people.

Jason, people like harm society, I wouldn’t allow you alone in a room with my children.

I just read the vow she signed. When ever did “robust child bearing” become” beneficial” to a society. Good grief, do they want to end up like China. Forcing woman to reproduce unchecked is not good for women! Ever!

Jason, there is not one sex act that gay people do intimately that heterosexuals do not also do. Not one. They are people, law-abiding, tax-paying, professional, loving, parents and people. They ARE NOT immoral nor is their intimacy or love.

This religion-gone-wild that tells you its okay to puke what you just did about actual people is the perversion.

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Jeff – If you are looking for bizness opportunities I suggest the non profit side. The Society for the Cryogenic Preservation of Michele Bachmann could raise money from the faithful, pay its officers munificently, and with a few sloughed off cells from the true Michelle maintain a basement freezer waiting for science to perfect the second coming. Ka-ching.

Mr. Thompson,

I’m digging the concept. Will there be an IPO? I want to get in early.

It’s probably too early to consider broadening the product base but this Jason might be worth getting some cells from to cross breed the Big Hair Bad Makeup Bachmann cells with. I think we’d get a polyploid, but it has been 40 years since I took biology so maybe both genes are recessive. The research department should be able to answer that.

Anyway, I want in. I had been advocating getting into goats since I think throat slitting on slab rock can’t be that far beyond the pale if she wins. But I like your notion better since I think some of the job creators will put money in this scheme.

… oh then there’d be the relic money sales to churches.

Jeff Wilfahrt, Rosemount, MN

Can i still Fap?

Once I deplored Timski – the cut-rate Mitt.

Now he seems the voice of cool reason, even statesmanlike, next to this fundy nut.

I undertand the obsession with homosexuality, given that husband of hers.

But what’s this mania about Sharia law? Nuts.

By the way, as a New York faggot of advanced years, I want to tell Jason to open up and give himself the treat of a lifetime. Because he sure doesn’t sound like the type of guy who’s good with chicks.

@Jason:

You may just be the perfect example of what religiously motivated sexual repression looks like and it ain’t pretty. You might even cal it perverse.

How exactly does homosexuality harm the public good?

Try this on for size: Michele “Twisted Sister” Bachmann has no qualms about people dying for lack of health care or throwing seniors off Medicare and onto the street to die (likewise disabled veterans) or yanking pensions out from under retirees. And she doesn’t even flinch at the prospect of bud Bradlee Dean promoting the execution of gays on the radio and praying for his success. But gays harm the public good?

So who’s perverted here?

I applaud Michele Bachmann for her stance. Marriage is between a man and a woman. God did not make Adam & Adam. Homosexuality is a choice.

I read the 9th pledge from here:
http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/The-Family-Leader-Presidential-Pledge.pdf
It’s pretty long winded and wordy but here’s the essence of it:
“… I the undersigned… vow to… defend and uphold the institution of marriage…
I vow to do so through… Humane protection of women and… children… from…
all forms of pornography and prostitution…”
I don’t see anywhere in that statement a call for the outright “banning” of pornography,
instead it calls for “protection” of women and children from pornography.
How that is to be accomplished is left unsaid. I think the headline is purposely misleading.

Nice Bachmann ad at the end of the story.

BIGOT! thats all she is…..plain and simple!

Jason said:
Comment posted July 8, 2011 @ 2:16 pm
I expected liberal stupidity (a redundancy I know) in the combox but you guys have really outdone yourselves.

My goodness, Mrs. Bachman must be some kind of a phobaphobe!

Here’s the truth:
homosexual activity is filthy, immoral, and perverted. It’s normalization harms the public good.
pornography is also immoral and disordered and harms the public good.
liberty is not doing whatever you want and expecting no consequences. That concept is also a perversion.

See the common thread here?
Probably not.

Back to your regularly scheduled mind-numbed liberalism

Hey jason get the cock out of your mouth and start talking normal ya stupid ass!!
Get used to it!! the Liberals are taking over this country because we are sick of assholes like you thinking your GOD and judging people!!

Another crazy extreme candidate in American politics. MN, America, are we not tired of these sort of divisive people? Is not the whole purpose of “America” to stand up the rights of the minorities, and prevent the majority from having it all their own way? We as American must wake up and stop supporting people who want to divide this country up. It is the land of hope, the brave and the free…but not at the sake of denying segments of our society equal rights & protections. If you choose that way with your vote and support for Bachmann/Palin etc. etc., you are going to be part of a totalitarian society, not better than Iran or Nazi Germany! Wake up, and do it now!

So this what conservative/tea party folks mean by “small, nonintrusive government”?


Bachmann is just another delusional tea party brown-nosing theocrat who pretentiously claims to be doing “God’s work” — using cherry-picked biblical passages to justify her brand of social intolerance and religious self-righteousness.

Bachmann insists that she is not a flake. “I am a serious person”. And then she signs a pledge suggesting that black slave families exemplified right wing “traditional family values”, implying that slavery was not that bad after all.

Not a flake?  Methinks she has a bit more work to do.

I never knew people like this existed in the world. And Americans are worried about Al Queda? I say be worried about what’s running free in your own backyard before getting paranoid about overseas groups.

Jason is the essence of America… I RED-blooded, all American, brainwashed yokel. Go back to the farm boy.

I never knew people like this existed. And Americans are worried about Al Queda? I say be worried about what’s running free in your own backyard before getting paranoid about overseas groups.

I think this is horseshit too but I, sadly, can see her (or someone) winning with it. The republicans are keeping the economy bad for a reason, and that’s because a depression provides an entrance for batshit crazy people and ideas. Hitler. Prohibition. And to revolution. Russian. French. For better or for worse, lousy economies welcome drastic change. And this crazy bitch may be crazy but she’s authentic, she is a true believer. Most Germans were shocked when they realized what they’d allowed to happen and then helpless to change it. Anyone who underestimates the power of hatred should think again. Don’t be complacent. Don’t think it couldn’t happen. Bach ann may be your next emperor and then what are you going to do?

Ron Paul is the only candidate that takes seriously his oath to the constitution. That alone earns my vote and
excludes the others.

I knew she was right wing, but this shows she is a Christian extremist. There is no way in Hades I will vote for her.

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On behalf of Iowa, I too would like to apologize for the wacky antics of our west-side cultists. Honestly, next they’ll be protesting outside funerals with catchy anti-gay songs. This ridiculously anti-American pledge makes it clear these people think nothing of trampling human rights and co-opting politics for the sake of their religious agenda (although, to be fair, we in Iowa had a preview of this when they used outside funding from hate groups to subvert our judicial retention vote as punishment for our supreme court doing their job, as defined by the Iowa Constitution).

According to them, slavery was a better environment for black children than today’s world, gayness is worse for your health than smoking, women need to be protected because apparently we’re weak, brainless, and helpless (yeah, and we’re supposed to believe they don’t see Michele as a sock-puppet), and the only religious threat to the US is Sharia extremism, while Christian extremism is just the righteous God-ordained path.

There’s a certain irony in the fact that these rights-stealing, supreme-court-sabotaging, gay-hounding, religious/cultural bigots, represented by this guy: http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRsugYUtKcrW8QLPl04cCIMGJdDdGXNydAuoUC_VXekxIQ6oMLCkw are still so incredibly thin-skinned that when they read some comments about them (which they went looking for on an independent news site) unjustifiably made by some real meany-heads, they went crying back to their supporters about how everyone hates them, and also they need more money to make them less hated. Because what they’ve been doing so far with that money in no way contributes to the negative regard more rational people hold towards them. Nope, completely inexplicable how people could find them to be less than saintly.

Tragically, the Family Leader site does not seem to have a place on their website for people to rebut their ridiculous claims, or I could explain that one can have nothing but contempt for the actions of another or their group, without either hating them or suppressing their rights. In the hopes that they might learn something, and apply it in their own lives. But I guess I’ll just have to hope that the next time they’re trolling for comments to bolster their belief that they’re somehow the victims, they read this, and try thinking a bit. I’m not optimistic.

And in case Michele Bachmann reads these sites too (although if I were so emotionally fragile I had to hide in a restroom and call security rather than answer simple questions, I wouldn’t): Michele, go get your own porn, and keep your hands off mine.

Can anyone name one piece of legislation she or any other Republican has proposed to increase employment?

I could not agree more that she should and all rep. should sign on, but to be real just shoot yourself in the foot. This may have worked before the lib.s took over our country .
Our schools and colleges got taken over by so called smart people teaching that only retards beleive in god. Even the good old democrats that worked hard and beleived in god have got sucked into the lib.s they know they do not like the rep. so they are willing to let god go down the drain to stay with their party. This country has lost to much of its morals to elect anyone with some, unless god intervenes. My thought is he has already thrown in the towel on us, if we wanted to save ourselves we would have done it before we were standing on the edge of a cliff. I hope I am wrong!!!!, but I don’t think so. Please god bless the USA

Life is on a spectrum. Everything, nothing is black and white, and I have always tried to live by the true idea of what it means to be a liberal and remember this rule. To allow everyone even on the extreme ends to have their say to simply live their lives.

This is the sort of news, along with the new news on how Bachmann’s clinic has ex gay therapy has got to even start to scare the mid right.

We know that the cultist, the ones indoctrinated and extreme religious Christians that are being led by these sort of teabaggers are never going to see how scary, how un American and history invoking natzi like in its actions. Do people think that Hitler just one day woke up and had millions of Jews, Gays and yes even some Christians gassed? It takes work, it takes indoctrination and fear tactics that they are using.

One day I will have my Republican/Democrat debate to watch where I will say wow, now they both are making extremely good points, Let me listen to both of them.

Till then, I will keep hope that the in equality and social tyranny will end.

Why anyone would bring hitler into this is beyond me. God set rules and laws to live by and hilter did not live by them. He got what he sowed and so will we. I am far from what I sould be and I will also reap what I sow. At least bachman has the balls to stand up for what she beleives even if it will cost her the chance to be president. And slammed by a bunch of people only interested in what is best for them and not the whole country, but I am aware that is where we are today. SAD

@Brett

“…homosexual activity is filthy…”

I suggest you try one of these:
http://www.amazon.com/California-Exotics-Catalina-Anal-Douche/dp/B000XPIVZS

Should work like a charm!

@Marie…Amen to that! I wish so very much that I could look at two candidates and think “Either way, we win.” Back in 2000, I kind of thought we might be headed that way with McCain and Bradley. But that didn’t last long; unfortunately, everyone knows Americans value brand names over substance, so that’s what the parties gave us.

@Ken: Hitler gets brought up because when a group proposes to impose its ideology on those who aren’t interested, nominally for the sake of uniting the country, fighting against equal treatment of a subset of the society while blaming them for all the society’s woes, and getting the country out of its financial straits, all carefully choreographed with patriotic slogans, righteous speeches, and reinforcement of the concept of divine right, it evokes shades of 1930′s Germany. Hitler didn’t pull off WWII and the Holocaust on his own; his nation abetted his crimes, because sometimes it’s more comfortable to cheer along than to question.

Disturbing – Bachmann and Plaats. They were made for each other.

@crawdadwilly
This pledge is offensive on so many levels. Women are not morans that need protecting by Big Daddy! Secondly, this is the type of fear and repression of others has been proven, over and over, to be unjust, immoral and the soil in which evil flurishes.

@Ken, I have no issue with you follow your God and living by rules that your organization has put out there for you. But do you think you have the right to tell me and the millions, billions of others on this planet that do not follow your God and do not make the choice to join your organization? If you feel you have that right, than its indoctrination, a form of slavery and oppression. I do NOT follow your God. I as a Natural Born American have made the choice not to follow any organized religion. My belief system is based on Science and facts. My moral structure is one of civil and social justice. My core belief is to not change your view and to allow you to live besides my view without trying to change or even fight you on your views.

The time I fight back is when I am being made by a group of people that are trying to make their religion the law. That is the same, no different than Hitler or that of the middle east. That is why the extreme radical religious Christians such as Bachmann are often tagged as the Christian Taliban.

@LIBERaliTY …. The old mcCain would have been a very good viable debate, the new and sold out version to the extreme right is not. I do have hopes for that daughter of his though!

Michele Bachmann’s clinic receives government subsidies for anti-gay Christian therapy. They are trying to indoctrinate homosexuals and troubled individuals into the Christian faith and on your dime!!!

People like Bachmann called for defunding of ACORN and Planned Parenthood. Her clinic is violating the Constitution’s separation of Church and State, not to mention the blatant hypocrisy regarding government subsidies.

Sign the petition to DEFUND BACHMANN & ASSOCIATES!!!

http://www.change.org/petitions/stop-taxpayer-subsidies-for-extremist-christian-counseling-centers

@ Laura, says the straight person!

“I applaud Michele Bachmann for her stance. Marriage is between a man and a woman. God did not make Adam & Adam. Homosexuality is a choice.

God actually DID make both Adams. The incestuous path of both Adam and Eve however, is not something I’d stake my flag in.

Rather, it just means that some of Adam and Eve’s children were gay, and did not go down the path of impregnating his or her siblings.

The Christian Right is a series of groups that compose both a social movement and a political movement. It has components that stretch from the Conservative Right to the Hard Right. Here we concentrate on that sector of the Christian Right that is part of the Dissident Right. A number of studies have found that people with above average income, education, and social status populate the organizations of the Christian Right in the United States. Many are managers and small business owners. When studying the contemporary Christian Right it is easy to find evidence of apocalypticism, conspiracism, and populist anti-elitism. Much of the populist rhetoric reflects alienation caused by the shifting sands of gender, sexual identities, and class positions. “The rise of the Christian Right, with its emphasis on ‘family values,’ gender roles, and a muted, cultural form of Eurocentric racism, was one of the most significant features of politics in the 1980s and 1990s.” Nonetheless, the Christian Right should not be lumped together with the militias or the Extreme Right.

Starting in the early 1900s, the major scapegoat for the Christian Right was godless communism. After the collapse of European communism, around 1990, a new scapegoat was found. The new mobilizing focus for the Christian Right was an umbrella concept called the Culture War; launched against the scapegoat of secular humanism. For the Christian Right the apocalyptic demon of secular humanism had three heads: liberal moral relativism; the feminist movement and its demands for reproductive rights; and the gay and lesbian rights movements. As a result of this analysis, the Christian Right launched campaigns aimed at policing “traditional” gender roles. According to Clarkson, abortion and homosexuality are both a “permanent, defining issue for the movement.” In part as a payback for Christian Right voter turnout, and in part due to ideological and theological agreement, George W. Bush has embraced several items from the Christian Right agenda on gender. Kaminer warns that the “current regime envisions an ideal world in which heterosexual couples can’t divorce and gay couples can’t marry, women cannot get an abortion, and even contraception is scarce, especially for teens.”

Most sectors in the contemporary Christian Right have resisted the overtures of their most insurgent compatriots and moved instead toward the Conservative Right and participation in the electoral system. While they often complain about the government and political system, the primary focus of the Christian Right is gender. Christian political activism reaches back to the early settlers, and has always had a profound effect on the U.S. political scene. Christian political and social movements have oscillated between progressive and reactionary poles. The mobilization of Christian activists during the Civil Rights Movement of the 1960s echoed the progressive reform aspects of Abolitionism, the Social Gospel movement, and the Temperance movement. Right-wing Christian activism is no less creative and adaptive than that of its progressive siblings.

http://www.publiceye.org/christian_right/cr_intro.html

“I applaud Michele Bachmann for her stance. Marriage is between a man and a woman. God did not make Adam & Adam. Homosexuality is a choice”

Yep, marriage is between man and woman and in several states it is between same sex couples as well. You are right, god did not make Adam & Adam, but neither did he make Adam and Eve. Public policy should not be based on ludicrous fairy tales.

Gee willikers! I thought it was Adam and Steve or was it Ole and Sven?

It should be Ole and Sven, you betcha! Come on, MN, get with the program! Gay marriage has been nothing but positive for Iowa has a whole; the disgruntled are just a bunch of haters; if it weren’t gay marriage, they’d be hating something else.

BTW, an update on the ridiculous Vow to Discriminate: http://iowaindependent.com/58288/gary-johnson-labels-vander-plaats-social-pledge-as-offensive-unrepublican
More on Gary Johnson: http://www.ontheissues.org/Gary_Johnson.htm

(I decided after Iowa’s far-right justice lynching that I’ve been too quiet, and assumed for too long that Americans and Iowans would question things on their own. The end result of moderates in Iowa sitting back and not challenging the rhetoric was a legislature full of inexperienced social-agenda bigots, a wasted legislative session, and a loss of half our supreme court. So I’m going to be a bit more outspoken about the obscenity that’s crept into our politics under the guise of sanctity; I encourage all of you to do so as well.)

I will still say the same thing. We have no morals left as a majority in our country. People that have them do not visit these sites, because they are to busy trying to over come their debts . They work to pay for the libs to stay at home and live off he gov. I do not care about organized religion either they have used god to abuse boys, girls, men and everyone in general in the name of god. You do not have to beleive in anything, if that is what you think is right. What I was trying to say is if you do. Quite winning about the outcome. Islam and true christianity comes from the heart and knowlodge, not because someone told you that christ was born on dec. 25. which you can look anywhere and find that is bull. If you were abused growing up and your parents were supposed christians blame the religion not god or islam not their god. People , because of satan and human nature can justify anything we are capable of if we let them.The craziness of the left or right is the out come of us as a society being totally lost in our own self greed. Our founder gave us the freedoms to decide, never thinking we would totally lose all our principles. We will never change to a Hitler type of country. We will be taken over by one, because we are to blind to see we are losing everthing to self satisify our wants with.out working for them. We can not support the world and ourself without everyone working to support it. It really does not take a brain surgeon to figure this out.

That may be the most thoroughly oppressive anti-liberty pledge I have seen to date.

It may not be the most anti-federalist pledge, but that’s only because it has stiff competition in that regard.

It seeks to re-engineer the fundamental social structure of this country with theocratic fundamentalism and homophobia. In no way does it represent the land of the free and the home of the brave.

Nor does it demonstrate any basic understanding of the concepts of good governance.

[...] pledge Thursday during a press conference at the Iowa Capitol. U.S. Rep. Michele Bachmann was the first to sign, and former U.S. Sen. Rick Santorum was the [...]

Yes, I agree that same sex marriages and pornographics are a sin. But I also realize people have the right to live their lives the way they want to. They are ones that are going to pay for it in the end.

Elizabeth, surely you realize that you, along with everyone else, have a right to live your life the way you want to, that you are going to pay for “it” in the end, too. Death is the great equalizer. Meh.

the problem is that we are debating what is “law” or not “law” within a book some people consider a source to their faith.

If people have evolved since the days of when the bibles were written, I know people of extreme faith hate that word too, but look at life just in the last couple hundred years, people have been able to read, write, comprehend things and create things that they couldn’t, that alone is proof of people evolving. Did Adam know how to build a home right away? create a fire? cook, for age, hunt? or perhaps those were all jobs left to Eve? anyways, I digress…. We have evolved from the days of when all the bibles were written, people no longer think its ok to rape, murder, or own people. Those were all condoned back then, and condoned within the bible. Why would you ever base a book that has been proven wrong science wise and even culturally wise from then to now as a book of facts?

How can you say what Adam does with Steve is sin, when you now say its a Sin to own a person? When it wasn’t then? How can you say that its not ok? And even when you do not agree at all, why is ok for you to tell other people its a Sin? Who are you to tell someone else what is or what is not a Sin? Who are you to tell people what their faith, their God, their lives have to be?

Use the word Sin for yourself, that is a defining word, and you can not define someone else. As i can NOT define you.

Religion is a choice. one can and has changed religions time and time and time and time again, over days, years, and centuries.

In other words, can that holier-than-thou attitude, Liz. It stinks.

I’d be happy to get rid of pornography, personally, but it cannot and will not happen.. For Bachmann to pledge to do it is silly, dishonest, and unconstitutional. The supreme court has already ruled, and pornography is now protected by the First Amendment. For a person who says she’s in favor of sticking to the Constitution, she certainly has a lot of interesting plans to ignore it, revise it, and pass laws that cannot survive a Supreme Court test (thereby wasting taxpayers’ money on her private agendas). The reason Bachmann is like this is that she has succeeded in getting so much attention without ever actually paying the usual price — like proposing and passing legislation, like executive experience, like Congressional leadership, like getting nailed when she says things that any grade school kid USED to know (J.Q. Adams was NOT a Founding Father). Too many of these comments are focusing on Bachmann’s views on homosexuality instead of her general incompetence as a leader, her demagoguery, and her overarching ambition to replace separation of church and state with an aggressive, militaristic, intolerant fundamentalist theocracy.

Liz has a right to believe what she wants, even if it comes off as holier-than-thou. She has a right to express those beliefs (although tactful people will avoid doing it with big signs at soldiers’ funerals). And she has acknowledged that others have a right to live life as they choose, so long as their choices aren’t criminal and don’t harm others.

Honestly, that’s about all we can fairly ask. I wish folks like Bob Vander Plaats would take a page from her book; we’d all be better off.

@Margaret: As I read it, the pledge is only demanding that pornography be kept from women and children. You know, because women need to be protected like a bunch of 4 year olds. Figures Bachmann would like that, since apparently she needs security to protect her from having to talk to strangers in the bathroom.

Tragically, incompetence as a leader didn’t even slow Bush down. It’s too much to ask Americans to demand that of their current candidates, apparently.

LIBERaliTY, bullshit. Liz can believe all she wants AS LONG AS SHE KEEPS IT TO HER HOLIER-THAN-THOU SELF! Tact is NOT in her vocabulary. It still stinks! And I have a right to express this. Sheesh.

Lane, you are allowed to express it, so is she, she is not allowed to impose it on you.

When she is putting her religious singular special interest extreme views in law, she is not only imposing, she is colonizing and indoctrinating the public as a whole.

fight the law on the base of separation of church and state.

Bah. Liz and those like her do NOT understand and accept the concept of the separation of church and state which is why I am no longer as patient and as tolerant of shitasses like them. Honestly.

Lane very understandable. Its easy for me to say so since my civil rights are not being attacked on the same level as yours. I do stand with you, not just behind you though.

My righteous anger at Sanctimonious Liz stems not from the perspective of my civil rights as a gay man, but more at how unchecked hurtful words even under the guise of “religious freedom” can have such devastating effect on innocent people who happen to be LGBTI. We were children once. To be told again and again in so many different ways that we are unworthy human beings just because of who we are inflicts a heavy toll on us as well as unnecessary costs to society. Unlike many others, I am fortunate to be able to resolve those issues so that I could move on. Thus empowered, it is my duty to stand up, face-to-face with people like Liz, and firmly say “NO MORE!” This I do for the sake of my people including those who are now children growing up as well as for future generations.

[...] is a choice, a health risk and should be compared to polygamy or adultery. By signing the pledge Mrs. Bachmann vows to uphold the institution of marriage by banning same-sex marriage if elected [...]

> And she has acknowledged that others have a right to live life as they choose, so long as their choices aren’t criminal and don’t harm others.

Again, Liz is not exempt from this, and yes, by airing her uppity views such as they are on homosexuality, she causes harm to those who are gay. From where I stand, that IS criminal!

Lane, I do understand how continued discrimination is harmful. Its harmful to the people who are trying to grieve for their sons or daughters at funerals when people picket evil things at their funerals, its harmful to all Americans when we have such a mark of hate on our Country from the extreme.

But as we need to fight for all equality in civil rights on a constitutional level, we must allow all to have their free speech. The thing with the KKK is that we can’t let them have it with hoods over their heads, we need to OUT (yes word intended) the haters and expose them to the public.

The Family Leader – Strengthening our families by trying to destroy yours.”

Lane, what do you say we start our own pray circle? Since you can pray the gay away, perhaps we can pray the gay in? Perhaps we can pray hard enough to turn people like HG or betty rubble gay?

Ja, but the prayin’ would not feel as cathartic as allowing the ornery Daisy May “Granny” Moses (of Beverly Hillbillies) in me out jumping up and down, fists a-circling in the air … I just wish you aren’t such a Jed “J.D.” Clampett, marie!

Good for her. It’s about time one of our presidential candidates has the balls to stand up to this crap. Amazing it’s a woman!

[...] Plaats, whose organization The Family Leader sparked an uproar in the state after it released a presidential pledge on marriage.” As noted by The Minnesota Independent’s Bachmann signs pledge to ban pornography, [...]

Kate… She is a subservient to her husband, so Marcus must have told her to do so.

So much for a strong woman :)

So, to the “God didn’t make Adam & Steve” people… at what point are we going to consider the alternatives, like the gods creating many humans at once by throwing stones over their shoulder, or the universe being hatched from an egg?

(I’m a Pagan but I can admit that quite a few Pagan creation stories sound just as ludicrous as the Christian creation story when you get right down to it)

Or – GASP! – the idea that the subspecies currently designated H. sapiens sapiens evolved from the evolutionarily precedent H. sapiens through crossbreeding between H. sapiens neandertalis and H. sapiens idaltu somewhere around 200-300 thousand years ago, and that sexuality and gender variance appears in this species at approximately the same 5-15% rate as in most other mammalian species?

Your creation story is not the only one.

will a majority of people really care about this? unfortunately i think the answer is no; there are many forms of bigotry and homophobia all over the country and this is just one in a long list of them with which religiously conservative politicians agree. it’s a shame but i doubt this will (at least negatively) affect her chances of wining the nomination.

[...] Minnesota Independent points out that “Footnote eight says that no scientific evidence exists to show that homosexuality is [...]

haha. Does she think pornography is a MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR industry because people don’t like it? If she thinks that pledging to ban porn is going to get her in she is sadly mistaken, she just lost the votes of every single man in the US and 90% of the married men!

I hope she doesn’t think she can UNDO the gay movement in the states. How many marriages have occurred? Does she think she can void them and cease to recognize the legal unions?

This kind of close-mindedness is sick. I can’t wait to see her fail.