Reports: Bachmann’s clinic performs ‘ex-gay’ therapy

The American Academy of Pediatrics, American Counseling Association, American Association of School Administrators, American Federation of Teachers, American Psychological Association, American School Health Association, Interfaith Alliance Foundation, National Association of School Psychologists, National Association of Social Workers, and National Education Association formed the “Just the Facts Coalition.” They developed and endorsed “Just the Facts About Sexual Orientation & Youth: A Primer for Principals, Educators and School Personnel” in 1999.

The primer says, in part:

“The most important fact about ‘reparative therapy,’ also sometimes known as ‘conversion’ therapy, is that it is based on an understanding of homosexuality that has been rejected by all the major health and mental health professions. The American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Counseling Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, the National Association of School Psychologists, and the National Association of Social Workers, together representing more than 477,000 health and mental health professionals, have all taken the position that homosexuality is not a mental disorder and thus there is no need for a ‘cure.’

….rejected by all the major health and mental health professions!!!

http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbt/resources/just-the-facts.aspx#

“…health and mental health professional organizations do not support efforts to change young people’s sexual orientation through ‘reparative therapy’ and have raised serious concerns about its potential to do harm.”

[...] for Marcus Bachmann’s involvement with tax-payer-funded Ex-Gay ministries, the Minnesota Independent has the down low: Two witnesses said over the weekend that a counseling clinic founded by Michele and Marcus [...]

it may earn her even more supporters

Unreal but knowing these freaks quite believable. Dusgusting people that want to hurt Senior’s and other s health care and they come up with this sick crap.

Everyone needs to understand the profound reality of Michele Bachmann. She is a candidate for president. I suffered with extreme gender dysphoria at the age of 3 onward and was forcefully reoriented. The result was a debilitating developmental mental handicap that has basically ruined my life. People of Michele Bachmann’s ilk don’t care about the damage they do in “God’s name”. I trust the American people are more enlightened and will reject her candidacy for president. The Bachmann’s are on the wrong side of history. They are an embarassment to the Nation and Minnesota.

[...] The Minnesota Independent reports: “Based on my experiences at Bachmann & Associates, there can no longer be any doubt that Marcus Bachmann’s state- and federally-funded clinic endorses and practices reparative therapy aimed at changing a gay person’s sexual orientation, despite the fact that such ‘therapy’ is widely discredited by the scientific and medical communities,” wrote Becker in a report of his findings. “It’s time for Michele and Marcus Bachmann to stop denying, dodging and stonewalling. They owe it to all Americans to provide a full and honest explanation for their embrace of these dangerous and fraudulent practices.” [...]

Michele Bachmann and her husband are both very far out. Not good for the U.S. She will make us all go to church!

What’s their ‘conversion’ strategy? Mark Bachmann tries to have sex with them (b/c he’s obviously been ‘reformed’) and they, in turn, never want to see another naked man again??

I have a serious problem with my tax dollars being wasted on this phony treatment that is so obviously religion based.

Bachman is more insane … than Palin; if that is possible!

Separation of church and state is one thing — but separation of lunatics from society is another!

Wow… just wow.. Wasn’t Sarah Palin enough? She’s almost a cake walk compared to this Michele Bachmann. From my Canadian stand point I hope you all see through this religious bullshit, I know most Americans will. Please note I’m not saying our government is better, we can all agree politics in both countries are corrupt.

Government and church need to be and stay separated this is exactly why, her personal beliefs with homosexuality should not be a part of her political campaign. Gay marriage is legal here in Ontario and I’ve seen the beauty of that change, happy couples and families, the real cure for this “illness” as Mrs. Bachmann calls it is acceptance, understanding and love no matter what your beliefs are.

This “clinic” and it’s “therapists” should be investigated by the appropriate state licensing agencies. So-called “reparative therapy” is essentially malpractice, and counter to the social work and counseling profession’s Code of Ethics. It’s no accident that Bachmann’s clinic website makes no references to homosexuality or reparative therapy — they are attempting to hide it, and Mr. Bachmann has been caught in a lie. Runs in the family, you know…

It hasn’t worked for her husband.

The solution is in the Tax dollars, if these clinics stop getting our tax dollars, and if Churches are banned from being tax exempt because of political involvements, I see a new reform coming to these people. Not only will Gays be accepted but also supported, on top of that they might have the first gay saint in the catholic church! Granted they will transfer their hate to something else but perhaps we can focus it on something more tangible like the damage they (and all people including me) have made on the planet we live on.

COME ON,

ANYONE can see (and hear from HIS voice) that Bachmann is queer. REPRESSING HIS OWN “gay (barbaric) tendencies.

Someone “who knows the truth:” EXPOSE this man for tha LIAR he is.

It’s obvious that the readers of this paper are mostly gays and lesbian. So here is my message to you all. You don’t want to be labeled as “defective” nor do you want to admit that there is a God that judges us.
If you do believe in God, then adhere to his word and turn your back on the SIN that is homosexuality. It is wrong, it is unhealthy, and it is a choice. If you don’t care for the opposite sex, then do without. Perhaps with the right counseling you can be cured.
However, if you are the sort that believes we are all just animals that evolved from the apes, then homosexuality is most definately a SICKNESS, and that can have a cure. Look around people! You don’t see animals of the same sex mating with each other. How stupid would that be? Nature doesn’t do that. So if you do, you are sick and need a cure.

This is FOR-PROFIT and FRAUD racket. Think christianist mafia.

@ Mark, you mean it runs in “The Family” and you’d be correct, again!

Nobody forces anyone to go to their clinic. You people are so big on freedom and the right to choose, how about letting people choose where they want to get help.

Stoneage Betty, it’s the government money they get, but want no one else to abuse… the Bachmann’s have a serious credibililty issue.

Yes, we are big on freedom, to the full extent, how about you Stoneage Betty, are you big on freedom to the full extent? Can we count on a no vote from you on the ridiculous marriage amendment and help us get to freedom and equality? How about it Stoneage, are you open minded enough for that?

And Betty, why are you afraid of using your real name?

Jeff Wilfahrt, Rosemount, MN

I thought the Bachmanns had stepped back from doing this, but apparently not. At one point I searched their website for an indication that they performed this “service” but found nothing.

What would really be powerful would be to find someone who received this type of “therapy” but used private insurance or a government health plan to pay for it. I’m not sure how the clinic would code treatment for a mental health disorder that’s no longer considered a disorder. So whatever numbers the clinic put down could be scrutinized as incorrect or possibly fraudulent. Any recent ex-ex-gay Bachmann patients out there willing to talk & share therapy receipts?????? (It’s a long shot, though–one thing you can say for the Bachmanns, they’re not dumb. It seems unlikely that they’d fall into this trap. Plus, you’d think God would let them know.)

So far, I think all TWO can do is get the therapist fired for providing crappy therapy, although it would be interesting to see how the therapist invoiced the company for his work. (Which is not to downplay the reporter’s amazing work.)

Of course, just keeping the pressure on about how far out of the mainstream Bachmann is might have the desired effect….

@randy == There is help for sick homophobes. I accept your apology.

Betty,

“Nobody forces anyone to go to their clinic. You people are so big on freedom and the right to choose, how about letting people choose where they want to get help.”

With the right to choose comes responsibility, wouldn’t you agree? If so, then don’t professionals have a responsibility to maintain standards of professionalism? And don’t those standards include adhering to the best evidence and practices of their field and refraining from those that are known to be wrong?

So, when Christian conservative counselors in the context of their practice give out wrong information to clients, information and advice that may be harmful to them, are we to assume that Christian conservatives should adhere to whatever standards they want without regard for professional standards? Does science reveal one set of truths for Christian conservatives and another set for everyone else?

Aren’t you opposed to ‘moral (and epistemological) relativism’?

The fact that the right-wing commenter above can’t spell is evidence of intellectual inferiority. It’s time we opened a taxpayer-supported clinic to treat people with room-temperature IQs. Maybe shock therapy would work..

@Randy, i am not Gay, actually I am a stay at home mom of children and married to the same man for decades. Home owner, tax payer, I don’t go out and party and I like quiet evenings at home. I don’t owe tons of debt and we are educated, self paid education, self paid marriage, and life. We waited to have children till we could afford them. No rich parents, Long term Americans on parts of our family and close to being first generations on other parts of the family. We were brought up with Christian organized religions.

and actually 1500 different species have homosexual acts and or mated for life relationships.

Please take a class on Evolution, physics and the natural sciences, you will understand that we actually did NOT come from apes, we do share the same lineage and DNA structure though.

There is a cure for self-righteousness, irrationality, ignorance, intolerance and bogus religious certainty:

1. Learn how to think critically. There are all sorts of resources on the web to help you do this. I also recommend reading the publications Skeptic, Skeptical Inquirer and Free Inquiry. The Critical Thinking Foundation has some excellent pamphlets for not too much money.

2. Become scientifically literate. Hardly any Americans are, but this shouldn’t be a reason to stop you if you’re motivated. Check out books from the library, especially on biological evolution, but make sure they’re from actual scientists with publishing records in peer-reviewed journals.

3. Learn about Biblical criticism–not the swill propounded by fundamentalists and evangelicals, but legitimate works of scholarly research created by serious scholars. See the Prometheus Books catalog online for some good examples.

4. Learn some humility in the face of this wondrous universe and all its complexities and unknowns. All too often dogmatic god belief tends to suppress curiosity, putting in its place premature and usually incorrect answers to questions that should either be kept open or for which we really don’t have complete evidence, or any empirical evidence at all. In many ways we’re really in humanity’s adolescence, still making easily avoidable mistakes due to poor judgment, still overeager and impatient with the rigors of adult thinking, still stuck in the absurd temper tantrum-y egoism of thinking that the universe was designed for us.

Try this if you dare: step back from all your current beliefs. Specifically, step back from your interior voice that says that you have it all figured out and that your god agrees with everything you believe. Assume you might be wrong about it all, and that it’s all the product of wish fulfillment and unexamined ‘confirmation bias’ (google it). Try seeing the world NOT through your narrow reality tunnel, but with just a tiny bit of intellectual humility, a tiny bit of ‘what if I’m wrong?.’ Try admitting that ‘I don’t know’ and stop plugging the your gaps of ignorance (we all have many of them) with your religious certainties.

Science and philosophy and human inquiry in general are still breaking new ground in the quest to figure out who we are and what the universe is. If you think all the big questions are already wrapped up with a bow on top and have been that way for 2000 years, you might be very surprised indeed at what you don’t know if you give yourself a chance to learn and even change.

[...] today’s national and local news, this was one of the big stories – Presidential hopeful/MN congresswoman Michele [...]

LOL@ Randy. Enjoy! Over 1700 animals studied thus far show that homosexuality is normal and natural here too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIah88qqxBI&feature=related

I’m speaking slowly so you’ll get it…

“The most important fact about ‘reparative therapy,’ also sometimes known as ‘conversion’ therapy, is that it is based on an understanding of homosexuality that has been rejected by all the major health and mental health professions. The American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Counseling Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, the National Association of School Psychologists, and the National Association of Social Workers, together representing more than 477,000 health and mental health professionals, have all taken the position that homosexuality is not a mental disorder and thus there is no need for a ‘cure.’

….rejected by all the major health and mental health professions!!!

There is NO good reason for people to “go without.”

Wendy,

As always, thank you for your excellent contributions.

My fear (yours and others as well, I’m sure) is that evidence doesn’t actually matter to these people. There are few things more indicative of human failure than an attitude that resists and denies overwhelming evidence in favor of received opinion or unexamined prejudice.

It’s truly stunning how much human progress is held up by the pervasive levels of ignorance and inability to think.

Mark Bachmann is obviously sucking dick, man if you are gay or lesbian, there is no turning back.

I’m sure if someone digged deeper into the B’s life, I’m sure we can find deep secrets of Mark B :)

And when Michelle B is the highest point she can be in life, BOOM! Scandals and secrets will be revealed… Media, Fox News, 20/20… and then after the dust has settled… Michelle will end up living as a crazy cat lady somewhere in Minnesota :)

why doesn’t anyone just come out and say what this “therapy is” ……Pure BULLCRAP…besides – this earth of 7 Billion People doesn’t need more heteros or lets say (their spawn) Over-populating it……

@ Rextrek, This “therapy” is FRAUD, HARMFUL and a way to milk the medicare system. Its NOT “therapy” at all. It is ANTI-therapy.

@ Eric, so true.

I like Wendy’s use of the word “racket” and I think it’s accurate. We have laws against racketeering. Maybe the DOJ should get involved.

randy, it’s a well-known rule of thumb that the most vehement homophobes are wrestling with their own sexuality and self-loathing. If you were able to deal with your feelings in a positive way, you might not feel the need to recite hate-filled talking points.

HEY EVERYONE!!! good news … ABC NEWS did a story on this and you have to see the video. Also, chime in on the comments with your thoughts and reactions. There are a lot of haters on ABC News, PO’ed that Marcus was caught telling more lies. OH THE HUMANITY!

Wendy Leigh, we need your awesome points of view on ABC News comments board.

Here is the link. Otherwise just go to ABCNEWS.com and search Bachmann. It’s called “Michele Bachmann Clinic: Where You Can Pray Away the Gay?”

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/michele-bachmann-exclusive-pray-gay-candidates-clinic/story?id=14048691

@ Betty, “Nobody forces anyone ”

First off, you dont speak for “anyone” and secondly, gay kids are forced into these places every day by their parents at great detriment to the child and the relationship with the parents all over this country. Parents who are misguided into believing this quackery will “cure” their kids when there is NO DAMNED GOOD REASON for it and plenty against it. This is FRAUD plain and simple, and a christianist torture program!

SICK!!!
What next with this freak? The number an gender of children mandated by law
Perhaps the color of a chid’s eyes. Welcome to the far right.
Dr. Mengele I presume?

@Betty nobody forces anyone…

You don’t see the actual danger here, you are missing the most important medical issue factor.Reparative Therapy is not approved of by American Psychiatric Association or American Psychlogical Association. These national organizations list the allowed medical practice guidelines. Guidelines states (1)Reparative therapy may be harmful. (2)Homosexuality does not need treatment. Bachman Medical Clinics are not medically practicing according to national approved and recognized medical patient care practice guidelines.

This is no different than Healer’s tents and snake oil’s salesmen!

I hope Betty that you can see the light and the danger of your extreme views. Your views are what has started world wars.

@Betty Rubble: Yes people are forced to go to the clinic. Anyone under the age of 18 that is going to that clinic is being forced by their religiofasicst parents to go. Please think of the kids and how these unscientific, unfounded religious nutballs are ruining peoples real lives not some made up statistic you know.

@Betty Rubble: The taxes I pay help support that clinic.

I do not understand how gay sex can be a temptation as Marcus Bachman says, if you are strait. I’m heterosexual and have no problem resisting having sex with gays. Clearly he doth protest too much.

I’m a bit curious about one thing.If Marcus Bachmann is gay,who is keeping Michele happy?

Michele Bachmann is so narrow minded,if you were to remove her brain and place it on a razor blade she would think she was on a four lane highway!

@ randy. you are a bad christian. why should any of us listen to or adhere to your lord or religion if you don’t? wouldn’t that make us all hypocrits?

Matthew 7:1 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged.

Leviticus 19:18 “‘Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against one of your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the LORD.

1.You must hate – (Luke 14:26) – “If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple.”

2.You must not hate – (1 John 3:15) – “Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer; and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.”

My Mother worked at this clinic, my parents raised me Baptist.
growing up, there was no such thing as homosexuals. there were “poor souls that were confused by the evil demons of homosexuality”

Being gay, was not even an option for me. I did not realize that I was sexually attracted to women. I did not realize I was “was struggling with attraction for women” in any way. I thought it was normal to appreciate a woman’s beauty….
When I was a young teen, one of the women whose beauty I REALLY appreciated came on to me. She knew she was gay, and I guess she knew that I was too and I am soooo glad for that. It was the first time in my couple years of dating, that I actually felt happy and safe and fulfilled and excited about a future with some one. In all of my relationships before, only dating men mind you, because that is what a good Christian woman does. It didn’t matter. I was doing it because that was what I was supposed to do. Find a good man to take care of me and have his children.

when my parents found out about our relationship, they punished and grounded me until the end of time but because i did not renounce myself or my “homosexual sin” and “ask the lord for forgiveness and direction” they sent me to some Christian, culty prison camp type of place out in the middle of Wyoming…. where i had to pretend and “conform” and lie, just to get my parents to take me out. all this did, was further the wedge between them and myself. it furthered my disgust with their religion and made me hate myself more and more. I wanted to be straight so badly. Then my parents would have loved me completely and I would have made them proud and happy. But I couldn’t. I was a horrible kid, a failure, a piece of shit and no wonder they didn’t love me, or my 4 siblings for that matter that knew that mommy and daddy condemned me. I turned to drugs and was shooting up heroin by 17. My self loathe and apathy ruined my life. I tried to commit suicide because I just had nothing to live for. I was raised with the notion that family is it. The most important thing and when it comes down to it, the only thing that mattered…. And my family…. didn’t want me in their family.

Now my experience at this place was insane and not that of the clinic, but the notion that you can pray away the gay is just ludicrous. Really. Can you pray away your belly fat. Can you pray away your pallet and your favorite foods. Ooooo lord, please make me stop liking the abomination known as Mecxican food?. Yes you can be brain washed and conditioned into something, BUT THAT IS UN-NATURAL. (does Hitler and his friends convey this point for me or do you need more?) My parents and their church preached about love and understanding and compassion and forgiveness. But they did not have any of that for me. The church gave them money to banish me and to have me brainwashed. The culty camp I went to either brainwashed minions or spat out WONDERFUL liars.

my points being this.
by not accepting each other and ourselves for who we are, all we are doing is driving hate into the hearts of everyone around. i.e. the Westboro Baptist church. that is teaching toddlers that “god hates fags” and this hate that we are creating is driving confused people to violence and retaliation.
That the hate and ignorance bred into us only ruins relationships and lives. That by using religion and the bible as a pedestal to spew hate and condemnation all you are doing is giving you and YOUR GOD a bad name.

NO ONE IS GOING TO LOSTEN TO YOU IF ALL YOU DO IS TALK SHIT TO THEM. I don’t think there is anything simpler than that.

My Mother worked at this clinic, my parents raised me Baptist.

growing up, there was no such thing as homosexuals. there were “poor souls that were confused by the evil demons of homosexuality”

Being gay, was not even an option for me. I did not realize that I was sexually attracted to women. I did not realize I was “was struggling with attraction for women” in any way. I thought it was normal to appreciate a woman’s beauty….

When I was a young teen, one of the women whose beauty I REALLY appreciated came on to me. She knew she was gay, and I guess she knew that I was too and I am soooo glad for that. It was the first time in my couple years of dating, that I actually felt happy and safe and fulfilled and excited about a future with some one. In all of my relationships before, only dating men mind you, because that is what a good Christian woman does. It didn’t matter. I was doing it because that was what I was supposed to do. Find a good man to take care of me and have his children.

when my parents found out about our relationship, they punished and grounded me until the end of time but because i did not renounce myself or my “homosexual sin” and “ask the lord for forgiveness and direction” they sent me to some Christian, culty prison camp type of place out in the middle of Wyoming…. where i had to pretend and “conform” and lie, just to get my parents to take me out. all this did, was further the wedge between them and myself. it furthered my disgust with their religion and made me hate myself more and more. I wanted to be straight so badly. Then my parents would have loved me completely and I would have made them proud and happy. But I couldn’t. I was a horrible kid, a failure, a piece of shit and no wonder they didn’t love me, or my 4 siblings for that matter that knew that mommy and daddy condemned me. I turned to drugs and was shooting up heroin by 17. My self loathe and apathy ruined my life. I tried to commit suicide because I just had nothing to live for. I was raised with the notion that family is it. The most important thing and when it comes down to it, the only thing that mattered…. And my family…. didn’t want me in their family.

Now my experience at this place was insane and not that of the clinic, but the notion that you can pray away the gay is just ludicrous. Really. Can you pray away your belly fat. Can you pray away your pallet and your favorite foods. Ooooo lord, please make me stop liking the abomination known as Mecxican food?. Yes you can be brain washed and conditioned into something, BUT THAT IS UN-NATURAL. (does Hitler and his friends convey this point for me or do you need more?) My parents and their church preached about love and understanding and compassion and forgiveness. But they did not have any of that for me. The church gave them money to banish me and to have me brainwashed. The culty camp I went to either brainwashed minions or spat out WONDERFUL liars.

my points being this.

by not accepting each other and ourselves for who we are, all we are doing is driving hate into the hearts of everyone around. i.e. the Westboro Baptist church. that is teaching toddlers that “god hates fags” and this hate that we are creating is driving confused people to violence and retaliation.

That the hate and ignorance bred into us only ruins relationships and lives. That by using religion and the bible as a pedestal to spew hate and condemnation all you are doing is giving you and YOUR GOD a bad name.

NO ONE IS GOING TO LOSTEN TO YOU IF ALL YOU DO IS TALK SHIT TO THEM. I don’t think there is anything simpler than that.

Michele Bachmann and her husband are both very far out. Not good for the U.S. She is running on her own “gay agenda” platform. We are closing schools, laying people off. Family’s are being foreclosed on and being put out in the streets. And all this Republican running for President and her husband can do is talk about is “praying away the gay”. It is a good money maker for her, but we have bigger things to do, and I am hopping God has to. If you or your church has the gay agenda on your mind, all the time you may need to set down and talk with someone. We need to start looking at what is best for the country. Not our own religion’s views.

This is a must read about the Bachmanns ultimate quest and ambitions.

“It sounds so fringe but yet it’s not fringe,” Tabachnick says. “They’ve been working with Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich, Michele Bachmann, Sam Brownback, and now Rick Perry. … They are becoming much more politically noticeable.”

Some of the fiercest critics of the New Apostolic Reformation come from within the Pentecostal and charismatic world. The Assemblies of God Church, the largest organized Pentecostal denomination, specifically repudiated self-proclaimed prophets and apostles in 2000, calling their creed a “deviant teaching” that could rapidly “become dictatorial, presumptuous, and carnal.”

“But what makes the New Apostolic Reformation movement so potent is its growing fascination with infiltrating politics and government. The new prophets and apostles believe Christians—certain Christians—are destined to not just take “dominion” over government, but stealthily climb to the commanding heights of what they term the “Seven Mountains” of society, including the media and the arts and entertainment world. They believe they’re intended to lord over it all. As a first step, they’re leading an “army of God” to commandeer civilian government.”

“https://www.texasobserver.org/cover-story/rick-perrys-army-of-god

Dominionism ‘teaches that American Christians have been mandated by God to make America a Christian state.’ .[11] They oppose labor unions, and public schools. They believe that women should be removed from the workforce and that the federal government should be ‘reduced to the protection of property rights and home land security.’[12] They oppose homosexuality. [13] They oppose the teaching of evolution.[14] They oppose [multiculturalism] and secular humanism and abortion. They dismiss the threats of global warming and overpopulation.[15] Their opponents are portrayed to be agents of satan.[16] He states that the current movement draws significantly from Calvin’s Institutes of the Christian Religion. He states that The Institutes of Biblical Law by R. J. Rushdoony has been a more recent source of inspiration for the Dominionists. The power that evangelicals have is significant because ‘there are at least 70 million evangelicals in the United States’.[17] and polls indicate that as many as 100 million Americans believe ‘in the Bible as the actual word of God.’[18] Tyson Foods, Wal-Mart, and Sam’s Wholesale are strong backers of the movement.’[19] and he states that Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia is ‘steeped in this ideology’.[20] Additionally, ‘Christian fundamentalists now hold a majority of seats in 36 percent of all Republican Party state committees’[21] and ‘Forty-five senators and 186 members of the House of Representatives’.[22] earned high approval ratings from the Christian Coalition, the Eagle Forum, and the Family Resource Council.[23] ‘They preach that at the end of history Christians will dominate the earth and that all nonbelievers, including those who are not sufficiently Christian will be cast into torment and outer darkness. They call for the destruction of whole cultures, nations, and religions, those they have defined as the enemies of God.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Fascists:_The_Christian_Right_and_the_War_on_America

Wow!

The tone of this article is Hitler-like. It sounds like a storm trooper ready to run into the clinic and shut them down for having moral beliefs different his or his boss’s. Are we really coming to the point of persecution against those who espouse and practice biblical teachings? This is America, not the communist state of China.

At least this article could have been written in a non-inflammatory way. It’s alright to think Michele’s views are kooky, but the storm trooper persecution tone is chilling.

I agree with Bachmann because I, like her, know the Bible well. God certainly does tell humans to reject homosexuality and practice heterosexuality. Read Romans. Read Leviticus.

There are millions of us Americans, and millions more around the world, who espouse biblical views on the subject of sexuality. This article and many of the comments about it show an ignorance of this fact, or worse yet, a hiding of the fact that so many actually take the Bible literally and believe it is God’s Word for man.

Interesting it is that so many think that conservative evangelical Christians are a threat, while they themselves write such threatening, Nazi-like intimidation articles.

Tim: May I suggest a rereading of history about what Hitler and the Nazis did and said?

” It sounds like a storm trooper ready to run into the clinic and shut them down for having moral beliefs different his or his boss’s.”

Wow Tim, you sound like some kind of moral relativist. Don’t you believe in right and wrong?

Umm, Tim, I hate to break it to you, but that passage in Romans is NOT about loving, consenting gay relationships. It says that God makes people gay for not worshiping God properly! Go back about three verses to 1:21, and read from there. If you’re not completely blinded by self-righteousness, you’ll see what I’m getting at. As for Leviticus, well, go read 20:9, 20:18, oh, and how about 19:18? My point is, the OT condemns a lot of things we do today without a second thought.

There is NOTHING in the Bible that condemns homosexuality as we know it today!