Bachmann dodges questions about her clinic’s ‘ex-gay’ therapy

So help me out here, is she taking Medicare dollars to provide religious counseling? She can’t be THAT stupid.

Well, Michele, like your pal Bradlee Dean says, “You Can Run But You Cannot Hide.” How do you like them apples?

Being asked if “reparative therapy” is performed in the clinic is not the same as asking about specific treatment plans for specifically identified patients. We the people are not that stupid.

Given the clinic(s) received tax dollars, I think an investigation into potential fraud is warranted. We need to keep up the pressure on the Bachmanns.

Michele dear, Honey…WHEN Your (straight…cough,cough) hubby, talk about his therapys….his reperative therapys……all the while GETTING GOV’T Moneys…..while you walk around spouting about small gov’t this, and that…..it’s called into question deary……..maybe IF you could get your husband to shut up, cause EVERYTIME he talks – you can practically see the HIGH HEELS come flying out of his Pie Hole.

Charles, she and her husband have hosed the state and federal governments out of thousands of dollars for their faith-based quackery. She is protected by the noise her followers make when challenged to fend off any efforts by either government to get it back.

Stupid? Immoral, unethical, dishonest, and highly cynical, but I don’t know if it’s stupid.

Nice try Michelle, Marcus. No one has asked about a private counceling session, but you do in fact, have to answer what KINDS of “treatment” you attempt with tax dollars. This is but christianist quackery and a homosexual TORTURE program. It is also ritual spiritual abuse.

Ms. Shrill, we don’t care what YOU are there to talk about. Answer the question!

Finally, we can connect the dots. Mr. and Mrs. Bachmann are against the legitimacy and full acceptance of LGBT persons in our society because if that happened, their counseling centers would lose business.

Funny she is against all the social safety-net programs that her and the tea-liban bitch about yet she and he hubby literally nursed off of the tax-payer teet with not only this christianist torture center but all those foster children bring in about 800 bucks a month per kid… rich!

[...] and services. Pressed by a local ABC affiliate at a Monday campaign stop in Iowa, Bachmann dodged the subject, saying, “We’re very proud of our business and we’re proud of all job creators in [...]

Successfully taken the “voice of Iowa” to Congress? But, as one of her Republican opponents pointed out, she has absolutely no track record in DC. Zip. Then again, Michele has been drilled by her advisors to stare at the camera (like Kristin Wiig on SNL) and repeat her messages over and over. She looks like a deer caught in a headlight to me – but she evaded the issue and didn’t get flustered. Her husband and his colleagues are engaged in mind control and “reparative” torture BUT she’s running for the presidency of the United States.

Speaking of all those foster kids Bachmann claims to have “raised”. Lots of folks are questioning her honesty (surprise, surprise):

Via The Daily Beast;

Bachmann often says she has “raised” 23 foster children. That may be a bit of a stretch. According to the Minnesota Department of Human Services, Bachmann’s license, which she had for 7 1/2 years, allowed her to care for up to three children at a time. According to Kris Harvieux, a former senior social worker in the foster care system in Bachmann’s county, some placements were almost certainly short term. “Some of them you have for a week. Some of them you have for three years, some you have for six months,” says Harvieux, who also served as a foster parent herself. “She makes it sound like she got them at birth and raised them to adulthood, but that’s not true.”

Michele, Michele – Sorry you brought this on yourself. t was your decision to go national. You will never survive the scrutiny.

[...] and services. Pressed by a local ABC affiliate at a Monday campaign stop in Iowa, Bachmann dodged the subject, saying, “We’re very proud of our business and we’re proud of all job creators in [...]

[...] confronted in an interview situation, Michele Bachmann, refused talk about [...]

The Bachmann’s should be denounced and picketed.

And none of this matters to her brain-dead supporters. She’s a good Christian lady.

If a person voluntarily approaches their clinic and asks for help, and the therapist explains what their therapy consists of, and after hearing that explanation the person voluntarily chooses to go through it, then I see nothing illegal or unethical about what the clinic is doing. There is no deception here. They are honest about what kind of therapy they provide, and the person is free to leave at any time.

Now before anybody jumps on me (probably too late already), I think this kind of therapy is useless. As an atheist I don’t believe there is anyone up there listening to our prayers, no matter how fervent we may be. I suppose if someone really does believe in God, then the act of prayer could have some psychological effect on them, but enough to “cure” them of being gay? I doubt that very much.

Still, the point of these gotcha pieces is not whether or not this type of therapy has any value, but rather to cast aspersions at Michele Bachmann. To do that they need to show, or imply, that she and her husband are doing something illegal or unethical. I just don’t see that. It’s not like they are driving around in a van, kidnapping gay people and forcing them to undergo this therapy. I’m not aware of any such accusations being leveled against them.

So as long as the relationship between their clinic and its customers is voluntary, and is initiated by the customer himself, then where is the ethical problem? As along as the employees at the clinic are up front and honest about the type of therapy they provide, and the customer freely chooses to go through it, then where is the unethical behavior on the part of Michele Bachmann?

Based on what I’ve seen and read on this, it seems that the only thing the Bachmann’s are guilty of here is having beliefs that you folks disagree with. I don’t agree with their beliefs on this subject either, but that doesn’t make them criminal. It does not make them unethical. It just makes them people we disagree with. It’s still a free country, isn’t it? People are free to have whatever religious beliefs they want, so long as they don’t try to coercively impose those beliefs on others. Where is the coersion revealed in this undercover video? Is there any?

@ Gary, the danger is that after the person who goes there (if that person is over 18 that is and goes on his/her own, many are children and are taken there) This is a practice that has been deemed by the medical board as dangerous, and not acceptable. We have standards in the medical world, there are taxes being taken from us to pay for these practices.

One can say its a religious indoctrination, and pray camp and take cash on hand, and then yes, I will give you the right to freedom of religion and free speech. till then NO

Michele Bachmann and her husband are both very far out. Not good for the U.S. She is running on her own “gay agenda” platform. We are closing schools, laying people off. Family’s are being foreclosed on and being put out in the streets. And all this Republican running for President and her husband can do is talk about is “praying away the gay”. It is a good money maker for her, but we have bigger things to do, and I am hopping God has to. If you or your church has the gay agenda on your mind, all the time you may need to set down and talk with someone. We need to start looking at what is best for the country. Not our own religion’s views.