Abortion politics threaten to again derail budget agreement

Leave the Social issues at the door, people! That means you, GOP!!

Focus on the state’s inability to pay its schools, care for infrastructure, its sick and poo, etc

If the State shuts down over this, it will be the GOP’s shutdown for sure!!

This was ALWAYS the Party of No’s shutdown. This just makes it even MORE so.

OK. Don’t agree to end the shutdown because of this. If there was any doubt in the minds of Minnesotans as to what the GOP Taliban is all about, this will settle the debate once and for all. Go ahead, vote no. I would love to see what the public has to say then.

The anti-women, anti-choice GOP is pissed that women have options as regard their reproduction. Because there isn’t only a war on women going on. There’s also a war on contraception. Anti-choicers never could stand that women are not barefoot and pregnant, preferably in the kitchen. Shame on you, GOP. And shame on America for failing to live up to its pretenses of freedom and impose Christianist morals on everyone woman out there. It’s disgraceful.

I hope women will remember this next year, and will vote accordingly. Small government my ass. The GOP wants a small government small enough to fit in our uteri.

Anybody notice that recently, the usual posters that come here to defend Republican conduct have been unusually silent?

(And no, I can’t call them “GOP” anymore, they’ve lost that dignity)

You folks do know this works both ways. A demand to leave the social issues out of the budget debate is really a demand to include abortion funding in the budget. Pretending otherwise is mere posturing.

Seriously, HG? Show me where in the budget the line item for abortion funding.

What selfish, arrogant bullies.

LKH,

Did you read the post?

“MCCL has pushed for a ban on certain types of stem cell research, a ban on abortion after 20 weeks gestation and a ban on the use of state subsidized health care for abortion procedures. Those measures were included in the Republican’s budget bills but were vetoed by Dayton in May.”

If they’re not in the budget, why is the budget agreement threatened for wanting to exclude them from the budget?

[...] serious disagreement. Abortion opponents, including the state’s largest anti-abortion group, have asked law makers to vote no on any budget bill that doesn’t include a ban on abortion and have said there will be [...]

That’s the best you can do?

Abortion is legal, and you can’t ban it as things now stand. The current strategy of whittling away at a legal procedure is not going to work in the end. The only way you’ll get what you want on abortion is a Constitutional amendment. Which I notice has never passed Congress, or even tried to while the Republicans held both houses.

It’s almost as if the issue is more useful for mobilization and fundraising than as actual policy.

FRAK THIS CRAP, THESE PRO-LIFE SCHIZOPHRENIC FASCISTS WOULD WHAT A GOVT SHUT THAT WILL HARM POOR BABIES AND CHILDREN, SO A WOMAN WOULD BE FORCE BY A LACK OF OPTIONS TO KEEP UNWANTED PREGNANCY?

these people don’t give a crap about the fetus after you go into the welfare line, and totally don’t give a frak after birth.

these people want to force their sanctimonious douche-baggary on women.

they can’t even prove their god exists.

This is insanity! The state and the church need to stay out of my uterus.

My uterus is not public property!

Why is mainstream media not covering this? This shutdown is the fault of the GOP and their extreme right wing agenda. I hope Dayton stands his ground and doesn’t throw women under the bus.

HG seriously?
HG: “If they’re not in the budget, why is the budget agreement threatened for wanting to exclude them from the budget?”

Why you ask, because the GOP wants to control women’s uteruses. It’s not a budget issue, it’s a social policy issue. Legislating when an abortion can take place interferes with a woman and her doctor. Are legislators medical doctors? No. They have no right to cut abortion off at 20 weeks. Most abortions take place within the first trimester. To imply that women nilly-willy have abortions after 20 weeks is insulting to women.

The MN GOP and MCCL are the American Taliban. They don’t care about children. Once you’re born they could care less. If they really cared about children we wouldn’t be borrowing money from the school system to pay for the MN budget deficit.
What does stem cell research have to do with the budget? Do you have specifics? Just because American Taliban MCCL says so. Give me specifics. Actual numbers.

As for public money for abortion, the State Supreme Court ruled in 1995 that all poor women have the right to an abortion and the state must provide the money. I highly doubt that women having access to a very small slice of public money for abortion is bankrupting MN. And, abortion is a legal medical procedure so it should be covered under publicly funded health care. What is the budget line for this? Once again give me specifics. Actual numbers.

Really? What do moral issues have anything to do with bills that are intended to fiscally run this state? Let’s get the budget bills passed so the everyday operations that provide services to Minnesota residents/citizens that depend on them “daily.” If the lawmakers want to wrangle over moral issues, do it separately from budget issues…. while I respect the general views of the MCCL, Catholic Church & any other religious organization (Thank God for the Constitution), I do not however believe you can mix/mingle church & state…. let’s get the lights turned back on in this state and then address other issues.

HG – you clearly have no idea how this works.

As rebel grrl states, the funding piece is dictated by a Supreme Court decision, and is not a line item in the budget. The MCCL push is not to eliminate funding, but to pass an UNCONSTITUTIONAL bill that has already been decided by the courts.

And it is the UNCONSTITUTIONAL bill that will cost the state money to fight is what is the problem.

I have issues with any group that says they are “pro life” but would so willing say it’s okay for a woman to die in order to keep her unborn baby from being aborted. Abortion should, under no circumstance, be used as a means of birth control, but what are the implications to a family when the woman has been raped, or the mother will most certainly die if a child is carried to full term? And when a woman listens to the far right and does not abort under those circumstances, where is the group that pushed her into her decision AFTER the birth?
This should NOT be a budget issue!!!

Once again we see how religion threatens democracy, and that the Separation of Church and State is the only way to preserve our liberties and religious freedom at the same time.

I propose a class-action lawsuit: The Citizens of Minnesota vs MCCL and the Catholic Church — to recover damages for every day they artificially extend the shutdown.

You guys need to remember that in the world of the GOP no one knows better how to run Uteruses than White Men and especially White Men who run churches. Anything else is silly feminism.

Only “freedom loving” conservatives consider draconian control of women to be something to hold the state budget hostage and use it to sabotage the process.

I think it is time to give he “pro-life” movement its non-euphemistic, proper name: pro-death.

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