Minnesota for Marriage sees momentum in NY, NH, NC wins

Zzzzzzzzzzzz…ahh the Bigots days are numbered…….they know it…..and the GOP knows that they have the Bigot Votes Locked….George Wallace would be proud.

The war is already over for gay marriage, and the religious right has lost.

Traditionalists and conservatives have failed to convince the public that there is anything to be worried about should LGBT people assume their rightful place as equals of heterosexuals in civil life.

Increasing numbers of the public are waking up to the fact that the alleged immorality of homosexuality has been nothing more than a traditionalist prejudice, an historical bigotry, a crude Bible-based calumny dressed up in the clothes of morality, and that it’s time to consign this “traditional value” to the fire pit, where it will join racism, anti-semitism, misogyny, and other errors.

The only thing that could turn this around for religious conservatives would be if they were able to:

1) Lead a mass conversion of America back to their brand(s) of religious faith. It’s virtually impossible to imagine this happening. Over the past twenty years there has been a mass migration AWAY from Christianity into the so-called category of ‘nones’, people claiming no religious faith. The explanation for this I’ve most frequently heard is a growing discomfort or disgust with the perceived intolerance and closed-mindedness of many churches and believers.

2) Produce some new line of evidence and argument showing that homosexuality produces harmful widespread problems for society. However, if this were the case it’s extremely difficult to imagine we wouldn’t have already uncovered the causal chains of this hypothesis. Where is the evidence that gays and lesbians make uniquely bad parents? Or employees? Or teachers? There is none.

Once all the verbiage settles down and clears the air, we’re left with this and this alone: we have a significant number of fellow citizens who are too dogmatic to think; are committed to wholesale denigration of others to shore up their own feelings of inadequacy; are too uneducated and unthinking to understand that their folkish and churchy paranoia about homosexual-induced social and moral collapse is ludicrously poorly reasoned and ill-informed.

Every state so far that has had a free and fair vote on homosexual marriage has banned it … 30 states since 2004, including liberal California, although still in litigation. When you consider how difficult it is to pass a state constitutional amendment (usually requiring a veto-proof 3/5 vote), that is nothing short of amazing for so short a time frame. It indicates just how adamantly against homosexual marriage the public really is, though you would think otherwise if you listened to Hollywood and the lying liberal news media with their fake polls.

Before this is all over, about 40-42 states will ban homosexual marriage in their constitutions. Only 38 states are needed to write the definition of marriage into the US Constitution. That tells me that the homosexual activists are doomed to lose this battle regardless of what the US Supreme Court might do.

By all means, be complacent. Do nothing between now and next November. Ignore the 2-to-1 shellacking you got at the State Fair. Sit back and watch the returns!

Some of us Christians actually believe in the bible. We were created as Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve. I know this to be true because of my faith and the fact that the people who berate Christian beliefs almost always believe that there are no moral standards they have to abide by. Sodom and Gomorrah showed in the bible what happens to those that refuse to live by the Word. I will pray for all the sheep who have strayed from our shepherd Jesus Christ.

As a practicing Christian, I am dismayed and distressed at the language and reasoning behind many of my fellow Christians on the recognition of same sex marriage. My congregation has a long standing open and affirming policy and a significant number of same sex couples and families. Sitting next to my fellow congregants each week has only convinced me that the state has no right in picking winners and losers. The Christ I know and believe in would be out in the streets leading the charge to support equal recognition for all couples and celebrating the commitment of all who find their life partners, whatever the gender. While each faith community should be left to decide what it wishes to recognize and consecrate, our government — the representation of our collective democratic society — should not get involved in making such judgments as a legal matter.

Steve, You are so misguided. We all should welcome all people to attend church and learn about Jesus. However the bible is very clear about right and wrong. Just because your religion, congregation or minister decided to changes the teachings of Jesus to fit their needs or thoughts doesn’t make them right and is appalling. The teachings you are espousing are socialism and not Christianity. The state definitely has the right to say what marriage is and how old, etc you have to be. By your theory 3 men , five women and a goat could be married to each other as long as a church says it is fine with them. I would also say that before I get a response that I am exaggerating I am sure the same would have been said thirty years ago about homosexual marriage being recognized by the state. The Christ you are talking about is definitely not the one in the bible I read daily. The bible states not to lie with one of the same sex. Does your bible say it is Ok to change things you don’t like. In front of my church there is a sign. “A changeless Christ for changing times”. No matter how much society want to rationalize bad behavior, it is still bad behavior. God Bless!

NO Sarge57 – you are misguided. Marriage is not in all cases a religious event and all people should have the right to a civil marriage…..Your religion can make what ever rules it likes about marriage, and the rest of us do not need to join your religion.

Society has a right to decide what the definition is of marriage. You can reside with whomever you want to. A democracy allows people to make the rules and standards. Being a Christian should dictate that you believe the definition is one man and one woman is marriage. This is an undeniable fact about Jesus Christ and his teachings.

The bible isn’t exactly the best source for morals when it comes to marriage and sex. Obviously if everyone is descended from Adam and Eve then the incestuous relationships must have been very interesting back then. Plus Lot and his daughters getting it on after the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. God didn’t seem bothered by any of that.

Sarge, you’re deeply misguided.

You wrote,

“Some of us Christians actually believe in the bible. We were created as Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve”

Perhaps you’re unaware that the global flood never happened. There was no Noah’s Ark. No Adam and Eve. These stories might make for interesting reading, instructive allegories perhaps, but they’re myths. There’s NO evidence for them, and in fact plenty against. The earth is several billion years old, not a few thousand.

“I know this to be true because of my faith and the fact that the people who berate Christian beliefs almost always believe that there are no moral standards they have to abide by.”

Faith doesn’t allow you to demonstrate the truth of any proposition about the natural world. Only reason and evidence can do that. Faith is the will to believe, it’s the desire to believe in belief. It has nothing to do with establishing that a claim about the world is true.

Also, it’s ignorance of the most abject kind to suppose that others who don’t share your fundamentalist faith don’t live their lives on the basis of a moral code. Do you ever step outside your house? Your church? Do you know anyone who doesn’t attend your church? If someone disagrees with you on a moral question it doesn’t mean that that reflects NO moral standard. Pagans, Buddhists, Muslims, atheists, liberal Christians, Hindus and others may disagree with you on the tenets of your religious belief, but this doesn’t mean they have no moral standards by which they live.

Sarge57,
The bible. A good story from a point in history where they did not wash their hands after peeing.

Religion has slowed every scientific discovery for centuries. You do not need to make things up because you do not know the answer.

The earth is not flat period.

Written history goes way further back then the bible period. Just look up India and China.

There always was, is and always will be GLBT people and they deserve the same rights as anyone else.

There is a reason why laws are not based on the bible. The bible especially the old testiment allowed Popes of yester year to send thousands to their deaths during the cruisades. Religous teachings based on the bible justified slavery, selling one’s daughter, and lets not forget stoning to death your bride if she was found not to be a virgin on her wedding night, all laws not on our books now.

Religious beliefs brought the twin towers to the ground and others planes into firey deaths killing thousands in recent history, as terrorists waged jihad (holy war) against Americans. Those they felt not fit to be their equals (note the similiarities); Our laws should not allow any religious beliefs to restrict the rights of loving committed people. While the terrorist denied people the right to life and the intolerant deny gay couples the right to marry based on religious beliefs, the scale is very different but the obsurdity is the same.

Use your bibles to learn tolerance and love, they are a testiment to Gods love and not a weapon to be used in restricting another person their rights. There are laws which stop fathers from selling their wives, laws which protect those working on Sunday from being stoned to death. So lets remember the law should protect all those who live here, not just those who hold a bible in their hands passing judgement. Especially since judgement is not theirs to pass if they truely read the book they are claiming is so important.

Conservative Christians don’t like the knowledge that the parts of the Old Testament that condemn homosexuality were written in parts of history when the Hebrews were gearing up for war with people near them that practiced polytheistic faiths, which included tolerance of same-sex relationships and what we would now call transgender identities. Basic propaganda 101: Dehumanize the enemy as abominable and your people will go along with atrocity.