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		<title>Yes, we can &#8230; have our own Depression</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 15:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris Steller</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[With unemployment at 8.5 percent, former Labor Secretary Robert Reich finally called it:
<blockquote>This is still not the Great Depression of the 1930s, but <a href="http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/robert_reich/2009/04/its-a-depression.php">it is a Depression</a>.</blockquote>
<span id="more-31145"></span>Reich notes that if you count the underemployed (working less&#8230;]]></description>
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<p>With unemployment at 8.5 percent, former Labor Secretary Robert Reich finally called it:</p>
<blockquote><p>This is still not the Great Depression of the 1930s, but <a href="http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/robert_reich/2009/04/its-a-depression.php">it is a Depression</a>.</p></blockquote>
<p><span id="more-31145"></span>Reich notes that if you count the underemployed (working less than the full-time hours they want), the rate rises to take in one of every six Americans. Put the economy on a war footing, he recommends, with government outlays for infrastructure and education. And hurry up with guaranteed health care for all.</p>
<p>Anyone disappointed that President Barack Obama didn&#8217;t make the pronouncement himself while on his European sojourn should consider that President Herbert Hoover wasn&#8217;t the one anoint his depression as &#8220;The Great,&#8221; either.</p>
<p>Hoover may have preferred the word &#8220;depression&#8221; to &#8220;panic&#8221; (or even to &#8220;recession,&#8221; I&#8217;ve heard), but he was far from the first president to use the D-word, according to the History News Network.</p>
<p>And it was likely Lionel Robbins — an economist and writer, like <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Reich">Reich</a> — who first called it &#8220;<a href="http://hnn.us/articles/61931.html">The Great Depression</a>&#8221; — in 1934.</p>
<p>By then Hoover was out of office, never having uttered the word &#8220;The&#8221; before the words &#8220;Great Depression&#8221; as president.</p>
<p><strong>Related</strong>: <a href="http://minnesotaindependent.com/?s=when+depressions+were+great">When depressions were great</a></p>
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		<title>When depressions were great: The ominous offhand remark edition</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 23:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris Steller</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<img class="size-thumbnail wp-image-10342 alignleft" title="hoover-sign" src="http://minnesotaindependent.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/hoover-sign-150x150.jpg" alt="hoover-sign" width="150" height="150" />Are we in a depression? Maybe so, if offhand remarks about the last one now require clarification. During Tim Pawlenty&#8217;s substitute-radio-host gig this afternoon on KKMS-AM, a Christian talk station, the&#8230;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="size-thumbnail wp-image-10342 alignleft" title="hoover-sign" src="http://minnesotaindependent.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/hoover-sign-150x150.jpg" alt="hoover-sign" width="150" height="150" />Are we in a depression? Maybe so, if offhand remarks about the last one now require clarification. During Tim Pawlenty&#8217;s substitute-radio-host gig this afternoon on KKMS-AM, a Christian talk station, the governor asserted that religious institutions used to provide the nation&#8217;s social-service safety net but have abdicated that role to the government. He asked his guest, &#8220;redeemed Watergate figure&#8221; Chuck Colson, if he agreed. Colson started to hearken back to days of yore but then felt the need to be specific :</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;I remember during the Depression &#8212; the <em>Great</em> Depression &#8230;&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p><span id="more-28163"></span> Last fall in the run-up to the anniversary of Black Tuesday &#8212; and as our own clouds of economic doom seemed to be gathering &#8212; the Minnesota Independent carried a series of posts called &#8220;<a href="http://minnesotaindependent.com/?s=when+depressions+were+great">When Depressions Were Great</a>&#8221; that took a look at what local newspapers were reporting before the crash of 1929. Iric Nathanson takes a similar but more detailed look back at a day during the depths of the Great Depression at MinnPost today &#8212; <a href="http://www.minnpost.com/iricnathanson/2009/03/04/7121/a_holiday_to_remember_on_march_4_1933_minnesota_closed_its_banks">March 4, 1933</a>, when banks in Minnesota took a state-ordered holiday to avert a run on their deposits.</p>
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		<title>Minneapolis: The go-to town for presidential shout-outs during economic downturns</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 12:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris Steller</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Think it was mere chance that got <a href="http://minnesotaindependent.com/27411/obama-minneapolis-57-police-rybak">Minneapolis a mention in President Obama&#8217;s address</a> to Congress? It turns out that the select occasions in the past when Minnesota&#8217;s biggest city turned up in presidential addresses have always been during&#8230;]]></description>
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<p>Think it was mere chance that got <a href="http://minnesotaindependent.com/27411/obama-minneapolis-57-police-rybak">Minneapolis a mention in President Obama&#8217;s address</a> to Congress? It turns out that the select occasions in the past when Minnesota&#8217;s biggest city turned up in presidential addresses have always been during serious talk about tough times. In fact, it happened first during the first State of the Union of the Great Depression.<span id="more-27429"></span></p>
<p><strong>Herbert Hoover</strong>, annual message to the Congress on the <a href="http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=22458&amp;st=minneapolis&amp;st1=">state of the union</a>, Dec. 2, 1930:</p>
<blockquote><p>The world-wide depression has affected agriculture in common with all other industries. &#8230; The price levels of our major agricultural commodities are, in fact, higher than those in other principal producing countries, due to the combined result of the tariff and the operations of the Farm Board. For instance, wheat prices at Minneapolis are about 30 per cent higher than at Winnipeg, and at Chicago they are about 20 per cent higher than at Buenos Aires.</p></blockquote>
<p><strong>Herbert Hoover</strong>, <a href="http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=23329&amp;st=minneapolis&amp;st1=">address</a> in Springfield, Ill., Nov. 4, 1932:</p>
<blockquote><p>In speaking at Des Moines I gave some figures at which farm commodities could be sold in the United States from foreign countries, even in these days of distressing and even heartbreaking prices, if the tariff were reduced to a competitive basis for revenue. I can add some items that are especially applicable to the State of Illinois. &#8230; Your butter, which sells in New York at 22 cents, could be sold from New Zealand at this moment for 16 were it not for the tariff. And, as a matter of fact, your wheat, distressing as the price is, is selling in Minneapolis today at 12 cents above the Canadian price for similar grades.</p></blockquote>
<p><strong>Ronald Reagan</strong>, <a href="http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=41107&amp;st=minneapolis&amp;st1=">radio address</a> to the nation on a House budget proposal, March 26, 1983 (on the other side of another economic crisis):</p>
<blockquote><p>As inflation and interest rates come down and our tax cuts come on stream, families have more to spend or save, as you wish. And that is why savings and productivity are growing again. Recently I received a letter from the president of a family-owned lumber company in Minneapolis, one which — like so many other small firms — has been hard-hit by the recession. But now this man&#8217;s mood has turned optimistic. He told me that his sales for the months of December and January were the best for 3 months in his company&#8217;s 50-year history. And he wrote, &#8220;Mr. President, don&#8217;t get stampeded into some ill-conceived pump-priming scheme that will lead to another round of inflation boom and bust. You were elected to break that cycle. What you&#8217;ve done is working.&#8221; Well, my answer to that fine gentleman is, &#8220;I won&#8217;t be stampeded. I intend to do everything I can to protect this recovery all of us have worked so hard to achieve.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Here&#8217;s a quote that&#8217;s worth a mention, though it doesn&#8217;t fit the pattern and came from a man who was not yet president. It&#8217;s a kind of bookend to Gov. Bobby Jindal&#8217;s remarks about Hurricane Katrina in the official Republican response to President Obama&#8217;s address last night.</p>
<p><strong>George W. Bush</strong>, <a href="http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=25954&amp;st=minneapolis&amp;st1=">address accepting the presidential nomination</a> at the Republican National Convention in Philadelphia, Aug. 3, 2000:</p>
<blockquote><p>And, in the next bold step of welfare reform, we will support the heroic work of homeless shelters and hospices, food pantries and crisis pregnancy centers &#8212; people reclaiming their communities block-by-block and heart-by-heart. I think of Mary Jo Copeland, whose ministry called &#8220;Sharing and Caring Hands&#8221; serves 1,000 meals a week in Minneapolis, Minnesota. Each day, Mary Jo washes the feet of the homeless, then sends them off with new socks and shoes. &#8220;Look after your feet,&#8221; she tells them. &#8230; &#8220;They must carry you a long way in this world, and then all the way to God.&#8221; Government cannot do this work. It can feed the body, but it cannot reach the soul. Yet government can take the side of these groups, helping the helper, encouraging the inspired.</p></blockquote>
<p>Finally, one earlier Minneapolis mention by President Obama:</p>
<p><strong>Barack Obama</strong>, the president&#8217;s <a href="http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=85738&amp;st=minneapolis&amp;st1=">weekly address</a>, Feb. 7, 2009:</p>
<blockquote><p>From the beginning, this recovery plan has had at its core a simple idea: Let&#8217;s put Americans to work doing the work America needs done. It will save or create more than 3 million jobs over the next 2 years, all across the country — 16,000 in Maine, nearly 80,000 in Indiana — almost all of them in the private sector, and all of them jobs that help us recover today and prosper tomorrow. &#8230; Jobs that rebuild our crumbling roads, bridges and levees and dams, so that the tragedies of New Orleans and Minneapolis never happen again.</p></blockquote>
<p><em>Franklin Roosevelt and Harry Truman and other presidents mentioned Minneapolis during addresses they gave while visiting Minnesota, but there the reference was clearly for parochial purposes. The quotes listed above are the only other presidential addresses that mention Minneapolis listed at the University of California at Santa Barbara&#8217;s <a href="http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/">American Presidency Project</a></em><em> Web archive. </em></p>
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